Brad Pitt ‘Feels Great’ Now That He & Angelina Jolie Are Legally Single

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Re: Brad Pitt ‘Feels Great’ Now That He & Angelina Jolie Are Legally Single

Postby Guest » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:39 pm

Guest wrote:He will end up with less than fifty and they will always be with her more. He was never that into being a dad that was one big show they put on. Same shouting out we are so in luurve.
They should get a sales award but then they are actors and she was their
pr person and that was very tightly controlled.
Sincere people are too busy living and loving it and don't need to sell it.

I recorded The Sea, it was on yesterday...they have zero chemistry in that film. Nothing like the Smiths where they were so in lust. Will be fun to watch now.


I'm so happy, we have so many posters who know perfectly what happens in the future.

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Re: Brad Pitt ‘Feels Great’ Now That He & Angelina Jolie Are Legally Single

Postby Guest » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:47 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:He will end up with less than fifty and they will always be with her more. He was never that into being a dad that was one big show they put on. Same shouting out we are so in luurve.
They should get a sales award but then they are actors and she was their
pr person and that was very tightly controlled.
Sincere people are too busy living and loving it and don't need to sell it.

I recorded The Sea, it was on yesterday...they have zero chemistry in that film. Nothing like the Smiths where they were so in lust. Will be fun to watch now.


I'm so happy, we have so many posters who know perfectly what happens in the future.


Is Jennifer Garners kids with her more? Is Gwen Stefani' s kids with her more? Yes to both. Do their husbands seem to mind? nope.
Why don't you tell us why it will be different for Brad??

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Re: Brad Pitt ‘Feels Great’ Now That He & Angelina Jolie Are Legally Single

Postby Guest » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:00 pm

Guest wrote:Yes. Agreed. He did a lot of ranting. He loved her. Not just because he was the children's mother. He loved her but got to the place where he couldn't take the abuse and isolation anymore. She wanted to completely run him like she runs the children's lives.

She wanted him with her 24 7. But he did not respect his right to father the children. She mocked and belittled him in front of them and behind his back. . He wanted her, the family but a life outside as well. And he could not calmly tolerate the abuse. Now, He is settling in to the life he wants. Friends, activities, he loves his work and his standing in hollywood. He would never have left the family. He always knew she was difficult but she became unbearable. He drank more and more to put up with her

She wanted out but she didnt want to take the hit. Plus she wanted the kids with her near 100% and she needed his money to keep up her ott lifestle. She miscalculated. When she saw how bad it all got she tried to pull it back but by that time brad was getting his legs under him again and was strong enough to let her go and just fight her through his legal team. The first hurdle was getting out from under the investigation. He probably needed to sign over custody to her at that time but that was his biggest shock. Even after running. Hiding. Keeping the kids from him, he still thought he could trust her. When she filed the agreement in court after promising not to, trust in her died.

Once he got the first judgement last spring he realized he did not have to go along with her to get to see the kids. The custody agreement he signed when under investigation was the hardest thing to push back on. After he got that thrown out he started to feel free. All last year was pushing her on the custody until she finally agreed on joint custody even though she got more than 1/2. But he always had joint legal custody and the ability to tie her down, so that is what he used. And is still using as he inch by inch moves her out of the picture when he has the children for his share of moving toward 1/2. And he will get 50%. She is completely out of the drivers seat now.

He has been masterful with his use of media. And his nuggets dropped few and far. Until now, people believe him completely when he says hes closing the door on the angelina chapter of his life. Hes got that door nearly closed and it wont open again. A part of his heart may always be with her. They had a wild ride. But it's well and truly over now.

I doubt he loved her. He never showed affection to her that he showed to jen and goop in candid pics. Almost like he was interested in her because of kids but not as a woman or a wife. Just different. From the beginning of the diivorce he was like he only wanted kids not her. He refusecd to marry her for 10 years and never mentioned her name on her speech when he won awards say a lot . He wanted out for a long time but stayred for kids. Now he is finally free

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Re: Brad Pitt ‘Feels Great’ Now That He & Angelina Jolie Are Legally Single

Postby Guest » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:03 pm

Brad was attracted to her like Louis was attracted to Lestat but he loathed her. The Interview director said Brad and Tom were just like their characters on set. Tom was always in control of everything and Brad always wanted to escape.

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Re: Brad Pitt ‘Feels Great’ Now That He & Angelina Jolie Are Legally Single

Postby Guest » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:06 pm

Brad was always attracted to dark characters. Doesn't mean he loved them .

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Re: Brad Pitt ‘Feels Great’ Now That He & Angelina Jolie Are Legally Single

Postby Guest » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:09 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:Yes. Agreed. He did a lot of ranting. He loved her. Not just because he was the children's mother. He loved her but got to the place where he couldn't take the abuse and isolation anymore. She wanted to completely run him like she runs the children's lives.

She wanted him with her 24 7. But he did not respect his right to father the children. She mocked and belittled him in front of them and behind his back. . He wanted her, the family but a life outside as well. And he could not calmly tolerate the abuse. Now, He is settling in to the life he wants. Friends, activities, he loves his work and his standing in hollywood. He would never have left the family. He always knew she was difficult but she became unbearable. He drank more and more to put up with her

She wanted out but she didnt want to take the hit. Plus she wanted the kids with her near 100% and she needed his money to keep up her ott lifestle. She miscalculated. When she saw how bad it all got she tried to pull it back but by that time brad was getting his legs under him again and was strong enough to let her go and just fight her through his legal team. The first hurdle was getting out from under the investigation. He probably needed to sign over custody to her at that time but that was his biggest shock. Even after running. Hiding. Keeping the kids from him, he still thought he could trust her. When she filed the agreement in court after promising not to, trust in her died.

Once he got the first judgement last spring he realized he did not have to go along with her to get to see the kids. The custody agreement he signed when under investigation was the hardest thing to push back on. After he got that thrown out he started to feel free. All last year was pushing her on the custody until she finally agreed on joint custody even though she got more than 1/2. But he always had joint legal custody and the ability to tie her down, so that is what he used. And is still using as he inch by inch moves her out of the picture when he has the children for his share of moving toward 1/2. And he will get 50%. She is completely out of the drivers seat now.

He has been masterful with his use of media. And his nuggets dropped few and far. Until now, people believe him completely when he says hes closing the door on the angelina chapter of his life. Hes got that door nearly closed and it wont open again. A part of his heart may always be with her. They had a wild ride. But it's well and truly over now.

I doubt he loved her. He never showed affection to her that he showed to jen and goop in candid pics. Almost like he was interested in her because of kids but not as a woman or a wife. Just different. From the beginning of the diivorce he was like he only wanted kids not her. He refusecd to marry her for 10 years and never mentioned her name on her speech when he won awards say a lot . He wanted out for a long time but stayred for kids. Now he is finally free


First post very thoughtful. Second, too, just a little harsher. Both good. The love part...meh love is subjective and overrated. :clap:

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Re: Brad Pitt ‘Feels Great’ Now That He & Angelina Jolie Are Legally Single

Postby Guest » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:10 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:Yes. Agreed. He did a lot of ranting. He loved her. Not just because he was the children's mother. He loved her but got to the place where he couldn't take the abuse and isolation anymore. She wanted to completely run him like she runs the children's lives.

She wanted him with her 24 7. But he did not respect his right to father the children. She mocked and belittled him in front of them and behind his back. . He wanted her, the family but a life outside as well. And he could not calmly tolerate the abuse. Now, He is settling in to the life he wants. Friends, activities, he loves his work and his standing in hollywood. He would never have left the family. He always knew she was difficult but she became unbearable. He drank more and more to put up with her

She wanted out but she didnt want to take the hit. Plus she wanted the kids with her near 100% and she needed his money to keep up her ott lifestle. She miscalculated. When she saw how bad it all got she tried to pull it back but by that time brad was getting his legs under him again and was strong enough to let her go and just fight her through his legal team. The first hurdle was getting out from under the investigation. He probably needed to sign over custody to her at that time but that was his biggest shock. Even after running. Hiding. Keeping the kids from him, he still thought he could trust her. When she filed the agreement in court after promising not to, trust in her died.

Once he got the first judgement last spring he realized he did not have to go along with her to get to see the kids. The custody agreement he signed when under investigation was the hardest thing to push back on. After he got that thrown out he started to feel free. All last year was pushing her on the custody until she finally agreed on joint custody even though she got more than 1/2. But he always had joint legal custody and the ability to tie her down, so that is what he used. And is still using as he inch by inch moves her out of the picture when he has the children for his share of moving toward 1/2. And he will get 50%. She is completely out of the drivers seat now.

He has been masterful with his use of media. And his nuggets dropped few and far. Until now, people believe him completely when he says hes closing the door on the angelina chapter of his life. Hes got that door nearly closed and it wont open again. A part of his heart may always be with her. They had a wild ride. But it's well and truly over now.

I doubt he loved her. He never showed affection to her that he showed to jen and goop in candid pics. Almost like he was interested in her because of kids but not as a woman or a wife. Just different. From the beginning of the diivorce he was like he only wanted kids not her. He refusecd to marry her for 10 years and never mentioned her name on her speech when he won awards say a lot . He wanted out for a long time but stayred for kids. Now he is finally free

The love her bit got me suspicious too, but other info seems pretty solid.

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Re: Brad Pitt ‘Feels Great’ Now That He & Angelina Jolie Are Legally Single

Postby Guest » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:17 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:Yes. Agreed. He did a lot of ranting. He loved her. Not just because he was the children's mother. He loved her but got to the place where he couldn't take the abuse and isolation anymore. She wanted to completely run him like she runs the children's lives.

She wanted him with her 24 7. But he did not respect his right to father the children. She mocked and belittled him in front of them and behind his back. . He wanted her, the family but a life outside as well. And he could not calmly tolerate the abuse. Now, He is settling in to the life he wants. Friends, activities, he loves his work and his standing in hollywood. He would never have left the family. He always knew she was difficult but she became unbearable. He drank more and more to put up with her

She wanted out but she didnt want to take the hit. Plus she wanted the kids with her near 100% and she needed his money to keep up her ott lifestle. She miscalculated. When she saw how bad it all got she tried to pull it back but by that time brad was getting his legs under him again and was strong enough to let her go and just fight her through his legal team. The first hurdle was getting out from under the investigation. He probably needed to sign over custody to her at that time but that was his biggest shock. Even after running. Hiding. Keeping the kids from him, he still thought he could trust her. When she filed the agreement in court after promising not to, trust in her died.

Once he got the first judgement last spring he realized he did not have to go along with her to get to see the kids. The custody agreement he signed when under investigation was the hardest thing to push back on. After he got that thrown out he started to feel free. All last year was pushing her on the custody until she finally agreed on joint custody even though she got more than 1/2. But he always had joint legal custody and the ability to tie her down, so that is what he used. And is still using as he inch by inch moves her out of the picture when he has the children for his share of moving toward 1/2. And he will get 50%. She is completely out of the drivers seat now.

He has been masterful with his use of media. And his nuggets dropped few and far. Until now, people believe him completely when he says hes closing the door on the angelina chapter of his life. Hes got that door nearly closed and it wont open again. A part of his heart may always be with her. They had a wild ride. But it's well and truly over now.

I doubt he loved her. He never showed affection to her that he showed to jen and goop in candid pics. Almost like he was interested in her because of kids but not as a woman or a wife. Just different. From the beginning of the diivorce he was like he only wanted kids not her. He refusecd to marry her for 10 years and never mentioned her name on her speech when he won awards say a lot . He wanted out for a long time but stayred for kids. Now he is finally free



That's just ridiculous. There were plenty of displays of affection - and I'd say more than there were with Jen but that's silly to try to compare such things. I think you are dead wrong. I think Brad always wanted to marry her. I think it was Jolie who didn't for probably various reasons. I have noticed through life that couples that have been together a long time and finally make it legal do so because the relationship has begun to wane and they think getting married will save it or reinvigorate it.

I think at the beginning of the divorce he was desperate to save his marriage and that is the only reason he signed that Jolie driven horrendous temporary custody agreement which Jolie unfairly used to keep his children away from him and to try to smear him publicly. I think once Brad realized she was trying to destroy him and his relationship with his children he knew she couldn't be trusted and that killed any desire to reconcile.

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Re: Brad Pitt ‘Feels Great’ Now That He & Angelina Jolie Are Legally Single

Postby Guest » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:22 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:Yes. Agreed. He did a lot of ranting. He loved her. Not just because he was the children's mother. He loved her but got to the place where he couldn't take the abuse and isolation anymore. She wanted to completely run him like she runs the children's lives.

She wanted him with her 24 7. But he did not respect his right to father the children. She mocked and belittled him in front of them and behind his back. . He wanted her, the family but a life outside as well. And he could not calmly tolerate the abuse. Now, He is settling in to the life he wants. Friends, activities, he loves his work and his standing in hollywood. He would never have left the family. He always knew she was difficult but she became unbearable. He drank more and more to put up with her

She wanted out but she didnt want to take the hit. Plus she wanted the kids with her near 100% and she needed his money to keep up her ott lifestle. She miscalculated. When she saw how bad it all got she tried to pull it back but by that time brad was getting his legs under him again and was strong enough to let her go and just fight her through his legal team. The first hurdle was getting out from under the investigation. He probably needed to sign over custody to her at that time but that was his biggest shock. Even after running. Hiding. Keeping the kids from him, he still thought he could trust her. When she filed the agreement in court after promising not to, trust in her died.

Once he got the first judgement last spring he realized he did not have to go along with her to get to see the kids. The custody agreement he signed when under investigation was the hardest thing to push back on. After he got that thrown out he started to feel free. All last year was pushing her on the custody until she finally agreed on joint custody even though she got more than 1/2. But he always had joint legal custody and the ability to tie her down, so that is what he used. And is still using as he inch by inch moves her out of the picture when he has the children for his share of moving toward 1/2. And he will get 50%. She is completely out of the drivers seat now.

He has been masterful with his use of media. And his nuggets dropped few and far. Until now, people believe him completely when he says hes closing the door on the angelina chapter of his life. Hes got that door nearly closed and it wont open again. A part of his heart may always be with her. They had a wild ride. But it's well and truly over now.

I doubt he loved her. He never showed affection to her that he showed to jen and goop in candid pics. Almost like he was interested in her because of kids but not as a woman or a wife. Just different. From the beginning of the diivorce he was like he only wanted kids not her. He refusecd to marry her for 10 years and never mentioned her name on her speech when he won awards say a lot . He wanted out for a long time but stayred for kids. Now he is finally free



That's just ridiculous. There were plenty of displays of affection - and I'd say more than there were with Jen but that's silly to try to compare such things. I think you are dead wrong. I think Brad always wanted to marry her. I think it was Jolie who didn't for probably various reasons. I have noticed through life that couples that have been together a long time and finally make it legal do so because the relationship has begun to wane and they think getting married will save it or reinvigorate it.

I think at the beginning of the divorce he was desperate to save his marriage and that is the only reason he signed that Jolie driven horrendous temporary custody agreement which Jolie unfairly used to keep his children away from him and to try to smear him publicly. I think once Brad realized she was trying to destroy him and his relationship with his children he knew she couldn't be trusted and that killed any desire to reconcile.

Bye Brangeloon with a bit of Passing Through and a bit of Fussy eye. :lol:

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Re: Brad Pitt ‘Feels Great’ Now That He & Angelina Jolie Are Legally Single

Postby Guest » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:24 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:He will end up with less than fifty and they will always be with her more. He was never that into being a dad that was one big show they put on. Same shouting out we are so in luurve.
They should get a sales award but then they are actors and she was their
pr person and that was very tightly controlled.
Sincere people are too busy living and loving it and don't need to sell it.

I recorded The Sea, it was on yesterday...they have zero chemistry in that film. Nothing like the Smiths where they were so in lust. Will be fun to watch now.


I'm so happy, we have so many posters who know perfectly what happens in the future.


Is Jennifer Garners kids with her more? Is Gwen Stefani' s kids with her more? Yes to both. Do their husbands seem to mind? nope.
Why don't you tell us why it will be different for Brad??



Why not different from the others?

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Re: Brad Pitt ‘Feels Great’ Now That He & Angelina Jolie Are Legally Single

Postby Guest » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:25 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:He will end up with less than fifty and they will always be with her more. He was never that into being a dad that was one big show they put on. Same shouting out we are so in luurve.
They should get a sales award but then they are actors and she was their
pr person and that was very tightly controlled.
Sincere people are too busy living and loving it and don't need to sell it.

I recorded The Sea, it was on yesterday...they have zero chemistry in that film. Nothing like the Smiths where they were so in lust. Will be fun to watch now.


I'm so happy, we have so many posters who know perfectly what happens in the future.


Yes, well Amazon had a sale on crystal balls. Glad we could make your day. :lol:

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Re: Brad Pitt ‘Feels Great’ Now That He & Angelina Jolie Are Legally Single

Postby Guest » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:27 pm

Maybe Brad really made a mistake leaving Jen. Not the mistake of cheating on her cause that is undoubtfully a mistake but the mistake of leaving her. I don't know what their problem was but couples get into fights all the time when remodeling houses.

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Re: Brad Pitt ‘Feels Great’ Now That He & Angelina Jolie Are Legally Single

Postby Guest » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:29 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:Yes. Agreed. He did a lot of ranting. He loved her. Not just because he was the children's mother. He loved her but got to the place where he couldn't take the abuse and isolation anymore. She wanted to completely run him like she runs the children's lives.

She wanted him with her 24 7. But he did not respect his right to father the children. She mocked and belittled him in front of them and behind his back. . He wanted her, the family but a life outside as well. And he could not calmly tolerate the abuse. Now, He is settling in to the life he wants. Friends, activities, he loves his work and his standing in hollywood. He would never have left the family. He always knew she was difficult but she became unbearable. He drank more and more to put up with her

She wanted out but she didnt want to take the hit. Plus she wanted the kids with her near 100% and she needed his money to keep up her ott lifestle. She miscalculated. When she saw how bad it all got she tried to pull it back but by that time brad was getting his legs under him again and was strong enough to let her go and just fight her through his legal team. The first hurdle was getting out from under the investigation. He probably needed to sign over custody to her at that time but that was his biggest shock. Even after running. Hiding. Keeping the kids from him, he still thought he could trust her. When she filed the agreement in court after promising not to, trust in her died.

Once he got the first judgement last spring he realized he did not have to go along with her to get to see the kids. The custody agreement he signed when under investigation was the hardest thing to push back on. After he got that thrown out he started to feel free. All last year was pushing her on the custody until she finally agreed on joint custody even though she got more than 1/2. But he always had joint legal custody and the ability to tie her down, so that is what he used. And is still using as he inch by inch moves her out of the picture when he has the children for his share of moving toward 1/2. And he will get 50%. She is completely out of the drivers seat now.

He has been masterful with his use of media. And his nuggets dropped few and far. Until now, people believe him completely when he says hes closing the door on the angelina chapter of his life. Hes got that door nearly closed and it wont open again. A part of his heart may always be with her. They had a wild ride. But it's well and truly over now.

I doubt he loved her. He never showed affection to her that he showed to jen and goop in candid pics. Almost like he was interested in her because of kids but not as a woman or a wife. Just different. From the beginning of the diivorce he was like he only wanted kids not her. He refusecd to marry her for 10 years and never mentioned her name on her speech when he won awards say a lot . He wanted out for a long time but stayred for kids. Now he is finally free



That's just ridiculous. There were plenty of displays of affection - and I'd say more than there were with Jen but that's silly to try to compare such things. I think you are dead wrong. I think Brad always wanted to marry her. I think it was Jolie who didn't for probably various reasons. I have noticed through life that couples that have been together a long time and finally make it legal do so because the relationship has begun to wane and they think getting married will save it or reinvigorate it.

I think at the beginning of the divorce he was desperate to save his marriage and that is the only reason he signed that Jolie driven horrendous temporary custody agreement which Jolie unfairly used to keep his children away from him and to try to smear him publicly. I think once Brad realized she was trying to destroy him and his relationship with his children he knew she couldn't be trusted and that killed any desire to reconcile.

Sorry jolie loon. He said publicly that he would only considering marry her when everyone can legally marry which at that time was impossible. That basically meant never. He only martied her for kids which i think Angelina pushed kids to presure him to marry her. Angelina was the one tried to save the marriagge by making BTS and that stupid binding tattoos by that Thailand monk. He never wanted her back from the beginning of the divorce. She thought he would beg for her forgiveness but he kept running away. The only thing he was blindsided was he didn't think she would accuse him child abuse which was far from truth and damaging to his reputation.

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Re: Brad Pitt ‘Feels Great’ Now That He & Angelina Jolie Are Legally Single

Postby Guest » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:30 pm

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:Yes. Agreed. He did a lot of ranting. He loved her. Not just because he was the children's mother. He loved her but got to the place where he couldn't take the abuse and isolation anymore. She wanted to completely run him like she runs the children's lives.

She wanted him with her 24 7. But he did not respect his right to father the children. She mocked and belittled him in front of them and behind his back. . He wanted her, the family but a life outside as well. And he could not calmly tolerate the abuse. Now, He is settling in to the life he wants. Friends, activities, he loves his work and his standing in hollywood. He would never have left the family. He always knew she was difficult but she became unbearable. He drank more and more to put up with her

She wanted out but she didnt want to take the hit. Plus she wanted the kids with her near 100% and she needed his money to keep up her ott lifestle. She miscalculated. When she saw how bad it all got she tried to pull it back but by that time brad was getting his legs under him again and was strong enough to let her go and just fight her through his legal team. The first hurdle was getting out from under the investigation. He probably needed to sign over custody to her at that time but that was his biggest shock. Even after running. Hiding. Keeping the kids from him, he still thought he could trust her. When she filed the agreement in court after promising not to, trust in her died.

Once he got the first judgement last spring he realized he did not have to go along with her to get to see the kids. The custody agreement he signed when under investigation was the hardest thing to push back on. After he got that thrown out he started to feel free. All last year was pushing her on the custody until she finally agreed on joint custody even though she got more than 1/2. But he always had joint legal custody and the ability to tie her down, so that is what he used. And is still using as he inch by inch moves her out of the picture when he has the children for his share of moving toward 1/2. And he will get 50%. She is completely out of the drivers seat now.

He has been masterful with his use of media. And his nuggets dropped few and far. Until now, people believe him completely when he says hes closing the door on the angelina chapter of his life. Hes got that door nearly closed and it wont open again. A part of his heart may always be with her. They had a wild ride. But it's well and truly over now.

I doubt he loved her. He never showed affection to her that he showed to jen and goop in candid pics. Almost like he was interested in her because of kids but not as a woman or a wife. Just different. From the beginning of the diivorce he was like he only wanted kids not her. He refusecd to marry her for 10 years and never mentioned her name on her speech when he won awards say a lot . He wanted out for a long time but stayred for kids. Now he is finally free



That's just ridiculous. There were plenty of displays of affection - and I'd say more than there were with Jen but that's silly to try to compare such things. I think you are dead wrong. I think Brad always wanted to marry her. I think it was Jolie who didn't for probably various reasons. I have noticed through life that couples that have been together a long time and finally make it legal do so because the relationship has begun to wane and they think getting married will save it or reinvigorate it.

I think at the beginning of the divorce he was desperate to save his marriage and that is the only reason he signed that Jolie driven horrendous temporary custody agreement which Jolie unfairly used to keep his children away from him and to try to smear him publicly. I think once Brad realized she was trying to destroy him and his relationship with his children he knew she couldn't be trusted and that killed any desire to reconcile.


That post is just ridiculous!

:lol: :lolup: :lolup: :laff: :laff: :laff: :withstupid:

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Re: Brad Pitt ‘Feels Great’ Now That He & Angelina Jolie Are Legally Single

Postby Guest » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:30 pm

Knowing that actors do get insanely jealous about partner's costar after reading the Depp/Heard case I think JenAn was very understanding about these things. Those hot scenes in Troy, the tongue and stuff!


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