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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby Julie-Anne » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:20 pm

Also, could someone explain how this thread ended up in members chat please? I'm pretty certain I started it in general chat, hoping to get input not just from FF members but all-comers. Looks like it's been moved
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The General Section is a bit of a wasteland at the moment, so a mod probably moved it here because it's an important topic and there is more chance of a discussion here.

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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby louise_heels » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:21 pm

Also, could someone explain how this thread ended up in members chat please? I'm pretty certain I started it in general chat, hoping to get input not just from FF members but all-comers. Looks like it's been moved
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The General Section is a bit of a wasteland at the moment, so a mod probably moved it here because it's an important topic and there is more chance of a discussion here.
thank you, that's helpful
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby Julie-Anne » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:35 pm

Also, could someone explain how this thread ended up in members chat please? I'm pretty certain I started it in general chat, hoping to get input not just from FF members but all-comers. Looks like it's been moved
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The General Section is a bit of a wasteland at the moment, so a mod probably moved it here because it's an important topic and there is more chance of a discussion here.
thank you, that's helpful
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby Chudleigh » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:34 pm

Also, could someone explain how this thread ended up in members chat please? I'm pretty certain I started it in general chat, hoping to get input not just from FF members but all-comers. Looks like it's been moved
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Another one of the mysteries of FF......I hate it when my threads get hijacked by reasoned debate and actual opinions when all I wanted was fantasy fodder too....perhaps you should repost it in motoring where the scenario could include repeatedly trying to start a car in your heels (what else!) and being harassed by a miniature man who you could crush under your spike heels that you wear to leave marks on wooden floors before getting the AA out to actually start the car (Too much choke luv) so you can run over some small animal. Hope this helps :wink:
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby louise_heels » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:12 am

Hardly anybody in parts of The City at weekends.
Not really a dangerous place though.
I take your point about The City, by which I guess you mean the square mile, but after dark I do think "cites" more generally can be dangerous. City centres seem to be well populated and there's "safety in numbers" as the article comments make clear, Certainly, though if walking through parks or some less desirable areas it starts to feel a whole lot less safe very quickly IMO
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby Cinderelum » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:28 am

Also, could someone explain how this thread ended up in members chat please? I'm pretty certain I started it in general chat, hoping to get input not just from FF members but all-comers. Looks like it's been moved
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Another one of the mysteries of FF......I hate it when my threads get hijacked by reasoned debate and actual opinions when all I wanted was fantasy fodder too....perhaps you should repost it in motoring where the scenario could include repeatedly trying to start a car in your heels (what else!) and being harassed by a miniature man who you could crush under your spike heels that you wear to leave marks on wooden floors before getting the AA out to actually start the car (Too much choke luv) so you can run over some small animal. Hope this helps :wink:
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby louise_heels » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:30 am

Have you experienced any harrassment or been fearful while walking out cinderelum?
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby Cinderelum » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:55 am

You must be his lawyer

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Postby Lucylastic » Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:15 am

I'm pretty sure King has an admin login so he can say whatever he wants.
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby kinghelfer » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:14 pm

Also, could someone explain how this thread ended up in members chat please? I'm pretty certain I started it in general chat, hoping to get input not just from FF members but all-comers. Looks like it's been moved
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Another one of the mysteries of FF......I hate it when my threads get hijacked by reasoned debate and actual opinions when all I wanted was fantasy fodder too....perhaps you should repost it in motoring where the scenario could include repeatedly trying to start a car in your heels (what else!) and being harassed by a miniature man who you could crush under your spike heels that you wear to leave marks on wooden floors before getting the AA out to actually start the car (Too much choke luv) so you can run over some small animal. Hope this helps :wink:
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby Cinderelum » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:21 pm

Fair enough. The fact that I'm still here speaks volumes. I hate it when threads get derailed :cry:

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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby emilycurious » Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:43 am

I hate it when threads get derailed
Don't say that on the Railways threads!
These threads generate debate around the main subject, it's inevitable, and more natural, and I think more compelling.
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby louise_heels » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:23 am

Oh for heaven's sake, any chance we could stay on topic?! This was supposed to be in response to an article that raised some very serious issues.
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby C.G. » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:38 am

Oh for heaven's sake, any chance we could stay on topic?! This was supposed to be in response to an article that raised some very serious issues.
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby Lucylastic » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:45 am

It's a bit rich posting a thread in non members General Chat and then complaining when we go off piste up here. :D
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby Winston Smith » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:18 am

Oh for heaven's sake, any chance we could stay on topic?! This was supposed to be in response to an article that raised some very serious issues.
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Postby C.G. » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:22 am

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Postby Lucylastic » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:39 am

All day breakfast biscuits or overnight ones?
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All day breakfast biscuits or overnight ones?
Belvita Milk and Cereals flavour.
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby kinghelfer » Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:09 am

All day breakfast biscuits or overnight ones?
Belvita Milk and Cereals flavour.
I shall crush your biscuits under my spiked heels while frantically pumping the pedals in my 17yr old Toyota - PHWOOAARRRRR!!! :eyebrows:
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

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All day breakfast biscuits or overnight ones?
Belvita Milk and Cereals flavour.
I shall crush your biscuits under my spiked heels while frantically pumping the pedals in my 17yr old Toyota - PHWOOAARRRRR!!! :eyebrows:
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All day breakfast biscuits or overnight ones?
Belvita Milk and Cereals flavour.
I shall crush your biscuits under my spiked heels while frantically pumping the pedals in my 17yr old Toyota - PHWOOAARRRRR!!! :eyebrows:

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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby emilycurious » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:51 pm

I shall crush your biscuits under my spiked heels while frantically pumping the pedals in my 17yr old Toyota
No knickers again?
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I shall crush your biscuits under my spiked heels while frantically pumping the pedals in my 17yr old Toyota
No knickers again?
I only wear 'em to keep my ankles warm..... :eyebrows:
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Postby Astrid » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:31 am

If I am walking behind a woman at night on a deserted street I will always cross over and then overtake so I am keeping a healthy distance between me and her and she can keep me in her sights. I think that only fair as she would not feel comfortable hearing footsteps behind her.
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Postby louise_heels » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:23 am

Interesting follow up on this topic, from the BBC about how women are constantly on the lookout. Harassment appears incredibly common ! Anyone ever thought they were being followed?...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-41614720

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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby Chudleigh » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:01 pm

Interesting follow up on this topic, from the BBC about how women are constantly on the lookout. Harassment appears incredibly common ! Anyone ever thought they were being followed?...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-41614720

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Sounds like women in this article are living in Afghanistan rather than Uk. As ever, the person writing the article has their own agenda and is happy to pass some of the comments of those she has interviewed as the general opinion of all women. I’ll be generous and say that is probably a mistake rather than a deliberate skewing. As a man, I acknowledge that I do not experience the world in the same way as women but I can say that as a someone who worked in a female dominated profession and who was subjected to every politically correct and right on awareness raising course known to humanity, I have never been told by women I worked with or studied with or lived in the proximity of that they felt at risk, preyed upon or threatened in the way described in that article. It all seems a bit extreme to me.

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Postby Lucylastic » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:50 pm

subjected to every politically correct and right on awareness raising course known to humanity
Believe me, working for Transport for London would be worse.
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

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subjected to every politically correct and right on awareness raising course known to humanity
Believe me, working for Transport for London would be worse.
Don’t you believe it. Notwithstanding, what do you think about my opinion?

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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby Lucylastic » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:46 pm

what do you think about my opinion?
Of the BBC article? I don't think it's too far off the mark initially. Most women from time to time will have experienced being flashed at, I used to have a neighbour behind my flat who had the habit of masturbating with his bedroom curtains open, cat calls or tooting horns from passing vans, a hand brushed against your bottom as you get off a crowded tube and most commonly the difficulty of being alone in some spaces without men approaching you. You adopt strategies without thinking about it. Where I disagree with the article is that I do these things and get on with life rather than letting it limit me.
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby Chudleigh » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:52 pm

[quote="Lucylastic"][quote="Chudleigh"]what do you think about my opinion?[/quote]

Of the BBC article? I don't think it's too far off the mark initially. Most women from time to time will have experienced being flashed at, I used to have a neighbour behind my flat who had the habit of masturbating with his bedroom curtains open, cat calls or tooting horns from passing vans, a hand brushed against your bottom as you get off a crowded tube and most commonly the difficulty of being alone in some spaces without men approaching you. You adopt strategies without thinking about it. Where I disagree with the article is that I do these things and get on with life rather than letting it limit me.[/quote]

I wonder if there is a difference between the behaviour of men in urban and rural areas?

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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby emilycurious » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:20 pm

You adopt strategies without thinking about it.
I agree, it becomes second nature, a motor memory rather than a conscious action.
Although I have contingencies in place - both Debbie and I know each others location at all times through our phones, I have 911 as a single touch button on my main screen in top right just under my thumb, I always take Uber as everything is recorded (never ask the driver are you John, get him to tell you his name, and check the make of car against the app).
It's sad but I'm suspicious of men offering help - I was half way through changing a wheel and a guy stopped to help - I never let him out of my sight, and never let him get behind me, and I got in the car before I offered my hand in thanks. It wasn't that I was frightened, but it just makes more sense to be cautious and aware.
It doesn't limit what I do, just how I do them.
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby Chudleigh » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:42 pm

You adopt strategies without thinking about it.
I agree, it becomes second nature, a motor memory rather than a conscious action.
Although I have contingencies in place - both Debbie and I know each others location at all times through our phones, I have 911 as a single touch button on my main screen in top right just under my thumb, I always take Uber as everything is recorded (never ask the driver are you John, get him to tell you his name, and check the make of car against the app).
It's sad but I'm suspicious of men offering help - I was half way through changing a wheel and a guy stopped to help - I never let him out of my sight, and never let him get behind me, and I got in the car before I offered my hand in thanks. It wasn't that I was frightened, but it just makes more sense to be cautious and aware.
It doesn't limit what I do, just how I do them.
You can never walk in another persons skin or experience the world as they do, but if we are more expansive and accepting of our differences we will all be better for it.
A lorry driver in women’s clothes is surely fairly safe..... even in Grimsby.

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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby emilycurious » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:55 pm

A lorry driver in women’s clothes is surely fairly safe..... even in Grimsby.
Getting in and out of the cab, Chuds, I'm always accidentally on purpose flashing my cooch...
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Postby Lucylastic » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:56 pm

Why should she be?
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby Joyofsox » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:21 pm

All day breakfast biscuits or overnight ones?
Belvita Milk and Cereals flavour.
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby C.G. » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:23 pm

All day breakfast biscuits or overnight ones?
Belvita Milk and Cereals flavour.
They are vile.
Oh i quite like them. They're easy and i am not good in the mornings.
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Postby Joyofsox » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:24 pm

The red berry ones aren't too bad.
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby louise_heels » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:48 pm

Reading the volume and variety of the #Metoo postings on.line last night was pretty scary! :shock: I guess its happened to us all, all sorts of situations, some of them really horrible.
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Re: Street harrassment and risk for women

Postby Polgara69 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:41 pm

Breakfast biscuits are a cop out woman! Overnight oats is the way forward!
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