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Postby Winston Smith » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:24 am

Everyone will probably contract coronavirus at some point, so face up to it, Brazil’s right-wing President Jair Bolsonaro has told his compatriots.

Bolsonaro tested positive for coronavirus earlier this month and on Friday said he was taking antibiotics for a lung infection.

"I knew I was going to catch it someday, as I think unfortunately nearly everyone here is going to catch it eventually,” he told reporters during a visit to the southern state of Rio Grande do Sul.

“What are you afraid of? Face up to it," he said. "I regret the deaths. But people die every day, from lots of things. That's life."


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Re: Coronavirus Survival Tips, Rumours and Hearsay

Postby Lucylastic » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:49 am

Well, 'closing the pubs' is code for ceasing all social interaction outside the home. When the schools open there won't be year bubbles, smaller classes, Perspex screens or any of the stuff they said pubs would do, the schools will look just like they always did, 30+ to a class and masks for teachers. The transmission between the kids will be enormous and the only way to then prevent the apocalypse will be to essentially keep the adult population from interacting. You'll still be going to work though. Sorry about that.
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Re: Coronavirus Survival Tips, Rumours and Hearsay

Postby Winston Smith » Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:10 pm

Lucylastic wrote:Well, 'closing the pubs' is code for ceasing all social interaction outside the home. When the schools open there won't be year bubbles, smaller classes, Perspex screens or any of the stuff they said pubs would do, the schools will look just like they always did, 30+ to a class and masks for teachers. The transmission between the kids will be enormous and the only way to then prevent the apocalypse will be to essentially keep the adult population from interacting. You'll still be going to work though. Sorry about that.


Many pubs spent an awful lot of money that they didn't have to get everything right for reopening...and even now they are operating at limited capacity. Closing them again now would finish virtually all of them.
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Postby Lucylastic » Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:18 pm

We'll be rewinding to an 80s style Britain with the tube drivers taking the place of the miners.
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Postby Chudleigh » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:31 pm

Winston Smith wrote:
Lucylastic wrote:Well, 'closing the pubs' is code for ceasing all social interaction outside the home. When the schools open there won't be year bubbles, smaller classes, Perspex screens or any of the stuff they said pubs would do, the schools will look just like they always did, 30+ to a class and masks for teachers. The transmission between the kids will be enormous and the only way to then prevent the apocalypse will be to essentially keep the adult population from interacting. You'll still be going to work though. Sorry about that.


Many pubs spent an awful lot of money that they didn't have to get everything right for reopening...and even now they are operating at limited capacity. Closing them again now would finish virtually all of them.


Good point, Winston. I think we are seeing the end of the British pub. They can’t go on like this much longer. I also believe that the measures introduced have been pointless...and ineffective.

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Postby Chudleigh » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:34 pm

Lucylastic wrote:Well, 'closing the pubs' is code for ceasing all social interaction outside the home. When the schools open there won't be year bubbles, smaller classes, Perspex screens or any of the stuff they said pubs would do, the schools will look just like they always did, 30+ to a class and masks for teachers. The transmission between the kids will be enormous and the only way to then prevent the apocalypse will be to essentially keep the adult population from interacting. You'll still be going to work though. Sorry about that.

Absolutely ....what an utterly nonsensical idea... it’s actually giving wrong information that will lead to people believing that children aren’t carrying the disease..they will become primary vectors carrying it into the homes of elderly people. Now is the time to tell the elderly and sick to stay out of the way and tell every one else that it’s business as usual.

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Postby Lucylastic » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:37 pm

Several rational sounding people from the north rang Radio 4 earlier to ask why they could only meet in places with a card reader and said they would be disregarding the new instructions. Barnard’s Castle featured too.
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Postby ChristineLydiate » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:09 pm

Apart from all the individual factors such as underlying illnesses, age, general health including weight and diet which have all been well documented here and elsewhere, there are general patterns all too apparent derived by comparing rates between different countries with differing characteristics in terms of population etc.

There are key correlating factors which can almost predict the likelihood and prevelance of the virus if it takes hold within any particular area or country. They are primarily population density and the amount of inter generational mixing especially indoors but not exclusively so, these haven't changed and in all likelihood won't change significantly, but can explain to an extent why poorer areas tend to be more vulnerable, and those who make up a larger percentage of the population within poorer areas perceived to be more vulnerable. Less populous countries generally have a far lower percentage of deaths. It's the countries that buck the trend and fly in the face of the more likely predicted numbers that are more notable, precisely because of it. Almost all countries have numbers which largely conform to pattern, they may have been higher or lower if measures had been taken earlier or later but it wouldn't have been too noticeable in the larger scale across all countries. It can explain why Sweden could have lax measures but not suffer as others would etc etc. If a country has its main population centres densely populated but separated from its other population centres by vast distances then it too is in a far stronger position to combat the virus successfully. So even if the correct measures are taken at exactly the correct time and everything done perfectly, certain countries will always tend to have far higher rates than others, there is an innate advantage for some and a disadvantage for others.

Social distancing is just like a small or mini way of trying to imitate being less densely populated and tries to therefore limit the spread. Generations of the same family regularly coming together within the same house (as is more often the case in Spain and Italy) is the exact inverse and imitates the densely populated part of the equation which can explain the correlation and higher figures. Outside of the UK, easily the most densely populated European country, although not Scotland - which outside of Glasgow just isn't comparable, Germany is one of the more populated in Europe. It's success was all the more notable precisely because it bucked the trend.

As more testing and data have become available these correlating factors have become even more apparent not less, but you can think of most measures in terms of being a mini version of using what are known risk factors but at a very local level.

The vaccine may not come this year, next year or any year it's not a certainty, we may have to get used to the current ways long term. Mutations occur naturally and regularly, noone can be certain.
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Re: Coronavirus Survival Tips, Rumours and Hearsay

Postby Winston Smith » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:21 pm

If you read what that SAGE bloke actually said, he didn't say that pubs specifically should be closed. He used them as an example.
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Re: Coronavirus Survival Tips, Rumours and Hearsay

Postby Chudleigh » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:24 pm

Winston Smith wrote:If you read what that SAGE bloke actually said, he didn't say that pubs specifically should be closed. He used them as an example.


When they close....it will be for good....I’m thinking of opening my own shebeen.

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Postby Oscars Mum » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:19 pm

It must be a terribly stressful time for small business owners. I'm not sure what we the general public can even do to help them when everything is so up in the air?
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Re: Coronavirus Survival Tips, Rumours and Hearsay

Postby Lucylastic » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:29 pm

There are grumblings among the self employed about withholding taxes as the money many have banked to pay tax bills is preventing them from claiming Universal Credit. We're going to have to look at some major changes to our society, universal basic incomes guaranteed, state pension for all at 60, fast tracking into temporary teaching positions in Nightingale Schools teaching a reduced curriculum to small groups. The government is stalling in the expectation of a vaccine and the odds of that are 50/50 at best.
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Re: Coronavirus Survival Tips, Rumours and Hearsay

Postby Winston Smith » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:31 pm

We're wading through treacle trying to get out of this. Time we learnt to live with the virus and reopen society, scrapping ALL restrictions.
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Postby Lucylastic » Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:04 pm

And end up like New York. As much as we might like to, there are just too many of us, packed too closely together.
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Re: Coronavirus Survival Tips, Rumours and Hearsay

Postby Chudleigh » Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:21 am

Winston Smith wrote:We're wading through treacle trying to get out of this. Time we learnt to live with the virus and reopen society, scrapping ALL restrictions.


Yes we are...EXACTLY...... ultimately i think your latter suggestion , in part, needs consideration. I think we need to concentrate on protecting the most vulnerable in the form of the chronically sick and elderly and society needs to adjust accordingly.


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