The Greatness of Saturn

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Re: The Greatness of Saturn

Postby damien0019 » Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:31 pm

Btw, I'm kinda scared cause I'm Gemini as well same as Angelina, and Vaj mentioned Saturn return is going to be a Bleet for her, so Yikes. But I'm not nefarious like Jolie.

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Re: The Greatness of Saturn

Postby Bucephalus » Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:21 pm

damien0019 wrote:Btw, I'm kinda scared cause I'm Gemini as well same as Angelina, and Vaj mentioned Saturn return is going to be a Bleet for her, so Yikes. But I'm not nefarious like Jolie.


Damien, I know less than nothing about astrology but am often amazed by how correct it is, especially in the character descriptions. My sweet grandmother was a Gemini. She may have had two natures, but both were wonderful (or she hid the bad one very, very well!). I am interested in the difference between Gemini duality and Pisces duality, which supposedly runs in opposition to itself at least some of the time. That's my sign, and it figures. :roll:

My grandmother was Gemini, my mother was Capricorn, I'm Pisces. We were all three closer than close, just as tight as three coats of paint. Seems odd, but again, I know nothing.
The hooves of the horses O' witching and sweet
Is the music earth steals from the iron-shod feet
No whisper of lover, no trilling of bird
Can stir me as hooves of the horses have stirred

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Re: The Greatness of Saturn

Postby Vajra Nagini » Fri May 01, 2015 4:02 am

Greed
SUFI study is in some ways more difficult, in others easier, than
other forms of study involving man's development of himself.
It is more difficult, for instance, because many of the approaches
and behaviour-patterns needed by Sufic study are not naturalised
in ordinary culture: they have not been needed by societies in
order to form and sustain themselves up to a certain point.

It is easier, again, to approach many Sufi patterns because we
already have the analogy of thought-patterns and behaviour instruction
being passed down by the culture for establishing and
maintaining itself: the principle is there.
But sometimes the two arc in conflict - or seem to be. For
example, the undifferentiated desire for attention and frequent
stimuli intakes in common-denominator rhythm is known to
everyone.

In most human cultures, especially in the cruder forms,
this stimulus-intake has been harnessed to the culture's own service.
It has not been analysed and divided up as, for instance, you
would divide (in the case of food) appetite from nutritional
requirement and again from taste, flavour, habit and greed.

So, taking our example, people have sanctified greed - so long
as it is the kind of greed prized by the society. Ail other kinds of
greed are labelled 'bad', but acceptable greed is labelled 'good motivation',
only too often.
This diversion of greed into national, tribal
and similar objectives only perpetuates addictive behaviour. People
develop a taste for, say, attention; the society says: 'Yes, you
may have it - all you have to do is to seek our approval by works
of charity, heroism'- whatever the society in question thinks it
wants or needs. "

Such approved works not infrequently cause injustice
to others.


Because the victim seeks and gets stimuli, he is generally fully
occupied with this, and fails to see that he is being manipulated, or
that he has a compulsion.

His spectrum of perception of the (in
this case) acquisitive is never developed, It is as if he had a sense
of touch but could not tell fine from rough, or hot from cold.

He is correspondingly at a disadvantage in respect to people who
have a finer sense and also in respect to his and his society's
possible variety, including the solution of problems.

As he has never been told that there is such a thing as a sensitive touch, (to
continue the analogy) he cannot perceive it. As he gets approval
from using coarse touch, he is at the mercy of those people and
institutions which lay down the rules.

As he does not conceive the possibility of anything more sophisticated, he has no chance
of finding it. Because it does not exist, of course, within the terms
of his conventions, in his/her reality.

Or he may imagine the possibility,
but be wrong in his choice of method of developing it.

This is, of course, the pre-rational, pre-scientific, pre-organised
state. It is referred to by Sufis as the 'All Soup has Lumps In It'
situation, after the tale of the yokel who wouldn't accept lumpless
soup because he hadn't encountered it before, and refused to eat
it.

So he is not only coarse, he is an addict. How can he be cured?
He can be cured by experience. But first he must conceive the
possibility.

Next he must be exposed to it, but only after he has
attained 'spare capacity', time and alignment which will allow him
to focus on the problem. He can never do so while the only
alternatives which he is offered are simply other forms of addiction.

He must get used to the idea that he is automatised even while
he is gulping the panacea called 'I am not going to be automatised!'

He may have to try again and again. Saadi, in his Bostan,
'The Orchard' says: 'Not every oyster holds a pearl/Not every
time does the archer hit the target'."

Idries Shah, Methods of The Sufis."Learning How To Learn".
...You are the fire that burns the forest of the wicked, and a raincloud of wisdom!

Invocation to Hanuman

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Re: The Greatness of Saturn

Postby V.A.J. » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:11 pm

Vajra Nagini wrote:The Saturn Return is the most indubitable of all the astrological transits. Ask anyone in the "counseling' business; they can tell you that it is an observable fact that "people seem to lose their minds between the ages of 28 to 31".I quote. It is true: people have been known to make a complete 180 between one day and the next, and upon investigation,that change will have found to have been the herald of the Saturn Return.

But what exactly is the Saturn Return?

A horoscope depicts a moment in time. "Horo" is 'time and "scope" means to examine or "to look over". Thus by examining a moment in time as portrayed by a horoscope, it is possible for an astrologer to get a sense of the nature of that moment. But the natal horoscope (the horoscope of the moment of one's birth)continues to move forward, and all the planets continue to move in their eternal round, and eventually RETURN to their natal positions. The Moon returns to its natal position every month.Venus and Mercury, being close to the Sun, return at least once a year. But the outer planets move much more slowly, and thus it takes Saturn about 28 years to circle around to its original position in one's horoscope. and once it does, things start to happen with remarkable facility, to arrange themselves in preparation for the testing period known as the "Saturn Return". People will appear or disappear; one may suddenly pull up stakes and move elsewhere or suddenly and inexplicably cancel plans to do so.Many strange things happen and when one looks back, one can see VERY clearly how events disposed themselves as to 'set the stage' for what came next.

One thing is certain, however: it is a time of upheaval, change and TESTING. It is the transition between youth and maturity: the crystallization of the personality.


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