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Jury duty

Postby Jean-Louise » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:48 pm

Should a citizen have to right to opt out of serving on a jury?

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Re: Jury duty

Postby Anya.186 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:26 am

As you know I was just summoned.
Options are allowed but not guaranteed.
Being a single mom, head of the household is one of them.
To aid my situation I called the juror hotline and explained my case.
He seemed thoughtful so I have my fingers crossed.

Most westernized countries rely on a sort of jury system and it is mandatory
in capital cases.
I think the state is right in making it somewhat mandatory.
Still, hardships exist.

However the conviction by juries is now being looked at more seriously.
In the US, jails are dominated by minority males.
But, isn't that who commits the most crimes?
I think so without a doubt.
But recently there have been many reversals with the courts becoming
more reliant on forensic evidence than plaintiff hearsay.
I think the jury systems does work, the failures of false convictions
are completely undeserving.

When Mia Farrow, jilted wife of American actor and director Woody Allen
filed outrageous child ***h*** charges against him for leaving her
and marrying a 21 year old adoptee; the vengeance was obvious.

People are in jail because of false, or exaggerated charges, and there are far
more than states admit to.

Remember; sending a minority jail is worth some votes here.
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Re: Jury duty

Postby Anya.186 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:28 am

Anya.186 wrote:As you know I was just summoned.
Options are allowed but not guaranteed.
Being a single mom, head of the household is one of them.
To aid my situation I called the juror hotline and explained my case.
He seemed thoughtful so I have my fingers crossed.

Most westernized countries rely on a sort of jury system and it is mandatory
in capital cases.
I think the state is right in making it somewhat mandatory.
Still, hardships exist.

However the conviction by juries is now being looked at more seriously.
In the US, jails are dominated by minority males.
But, isn't that who commits the most crimes?
I think so without a doubt.
But recently there have been many reversals with the courts becoming
more reliant on forensic evidence than plaintiff hearsay.
I think the jury systems does work, but the failures of false convictions
need more investigation.

When Mia Farrow, jilted wife of American actor and director Woody Allen
filed outrageous child ***h*** charges against him for leaving her
and marrying a 21 year old adoptee; the vengeance was obvious.

People are in jail because of false, or exaggerated charges, and there are far
more than states admit to.

Remember; sending a minority jail is worth some votes here.
I used to know everything.

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Re: Jury duty

Postby Jean-Louise » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:46 pm

Anya.186 wrote:
Anya.186 wrote:As you know I was just summoned.
Options are allowed but not guaranteed.
Being a single mom, head of the household is one of them.
To aid my situation I called the juror hotline and explained my case.
He seemed thoughtful so I have my fingers crossed.

Most westernized countries rely on a sort of jury system and it is mandatory
in capital cases.
I think the state is right in making it somewhat mandatory.
Still, hardships exist.

However the conviction by juries is now being looked at more seriously.
In the US, jails are dominated by minority males.
But, isn't that who commits the most crimes?
I think so without a doubt.
But recently there have been many reversals with the courts becoming
more reliant on forensic evidence than plaintiff hearsay.
I think the jury systems does work, but the failures of false convictions
need more investigation.

When Mia Farrow, jilted wife of American actor and director Woody Allen
filed outrageous child ***h*** charges against him for leaving her
and marrying a 21 year old adoptee; the vengeance was obvious.

People are in jail because of false, or exaggerated charges, and there are far
more than states admit to.

Remember; sending a minority jail is worth some votes here.


I lost any faith in the jury system during the OJ Simpson trial. The verdict was a joke.

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Re: Jury duty

Postby Anya.186 » Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:48 pm

The all black jury returned a "Not Guilty" verdict against Simpson in 30 minutes.
This was after a months long trial filled with overwhelming evidence of guilt.

But it was really a failure in more ways than one.
The police planted evidence (gloves).
The prosecution foolishly allowed a minority jury.
The prosecution presented poorly.
The judge over ruled the prosecution several times in key elements of the case.
And to top it off, the judge asked Simpson for his autograph. :x

Some say white America got what they deserved.
I say we remain one of the most two way racist systems in the world.
We probably have earned everything we get.
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Re: Jury duty

Postby Jean-Louise » Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:37 pm

Anya.186 wrote:The all black jury returned a "Not Guilty" verdict against Simpson in 30 minutes.
This was after a months long trial filled with overwhelming evidence of guilt.

But it was really a failure in more ways than one.
The police planted evidence (gloves).
The prosecution foolishly allowed a minority jury.
The prosecution presented poorly.
The judge over ruled the prosecution several times in key elements of the case.
And to top it off, the judge asked Simpson for his autograph. :x

Some say white America got what they deserved.
I say we remain one of the most two way racist systems in the world.
We probably have earned everything we get.


Earned what we get when it comes to racial problems. I am not sure if I buy that.
There are some bad people in this country
There are some misinformed people, as well.
The jurisprudence is not perfect.
Hopefully, the majority of trials are on the up and up.
A friend, who is a lawyer, once told me that the person who wins in a trial is the person who has the best lawyer. Guilt or innocence is the result of the competence of the lawyer.

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Re: Jury duty

Postby Anya.186 » Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:46 pm

I'll admit I'm not very experienced as a juror.
What I do know is that too many innocent people are in jail.
I used to know everything.

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Re: Jury duty

Postby franfran » Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:32 pm

Here you can be excused from jury duty for certain reasons:

In terms of the Jury Amendment Act 2010, you may have 'good cause' to be excused if:
jury service would cause undue hardship or serious inconvenience to you, your family or the public
    you have a disability that makes you unsuitable or incapable of effectively serving as a juror, without reasonable accommodation
    there is a conflict of interest or some other knowledge, acquaintance or friendship that you have which may result in your being perceived as lacking impartiality as a juror
    people who have a permanent mental or physical impairment that makes them incapable of doing jury service or that would injure their health if they did jury service

The sheriff may also consider excusing you in other circumstances, including if:
    you are a sole trader or contractor
    you have care of school aged children and are unable to make alternate care arrangements
    you are in an advanced stage of pregnancy and/or are having medical difficulties during your pregnancy
    you have a medical condition which would make jury service onerous
    you are an emergency service operational employee
    you are enrolled in education and need to attend lectures or exams; or are living outside your jury district to undertake studies
    you have a mental or physical impairment
    you are absent from New South Wales
    you have transport difficulties, such as unsuitable or unavailable public transport.
    you are unable to read and understand English


http://www.courts.justice.nsw.gov.au/Pages/cats/jury_service/excused.aspx

Sounds pretty reasonable to me.....
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Re: Jury duty

Postby Anya.186 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:46 am

Jean-Louise wrote:
Anya.186 wrote:The all black jury returned a "Not Guilty" verdict against Simpson in 30 minutes.
This was after a months long trial filled with overwhelming evidence of guilt.

But it was really a failure in more ways than one.
The police planted evidence (gloves).
The prosecution foolishly allowed a minority jury.
The prosecution presented poorly.
The judge over ruled the prosecution several times in key elements of the case.
And to top it off, the judge asked Simpson for his autograph. :x

Some say white America got what they deserved.
I say we remain one of the most two way racist systems in the world.
We probably have earned everything we get.


Earned what we get when it comes to racial problems. I am not sure if I buy that.
There are some bad people in this country
There are some misinformed people, as well.
The jurisprudence is not perfect.
Hopefully, the majority of trials are on the up and up.
A friend, who is a lawyer, once told me that the person who wins in a trial is the person who has the best lawyer. Guilt or innocence is the result of the competence of the lawyer.


Professional contempt within the system is rampant.
Men and women join the officer ranks with good intentions; "Protect the Innocent".
But after years of having to take enforcement action against what is very
often minorities they lose their objectivity.
The same for prosecutors and judges.
Most people could not function in those capacities long term without being affected.
They are deeply racist, not really much their fault, and thus are now
willing to take executive actions based on influential racism.
Every statistic supports this and white societies response is stiffer sentencing.
Thus the incarcerated black male exits the jail as a professional criminal
only to enter a endless cycle of crime as he has been taught to do.
And whitey remains smug.
I used to know everything.

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Re: Jury duty

Postby Jean-Louise » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:01 pm

Anya.186 wrote:
Jean-Louise wrote:
Anya.186 wrote:The all black jury returned a "Not Guilty" verdict against Simpson in 30 minutes.
This was after a months long trial filled with overwhelming evidence of guilt.

But it was really a failure in more ways than one.
The police planted evidence (gloves).
The prosecution foolishly allowed a minority jury.
The prosecution presented poorly.
The judge over ruled the prosecution several times in key elements of the case.
And to top it off, the judge asked Simpson for his autograph. :x

Some say white America got what they deserved.
I say we remain one of the most two way racist systems in the world.
We probably have earned everything we get.


Earned what we get when it comes to racial problems. I am not sure if I buy that.
There are some bad people in this country
There are some misinformed people, as well.
The jurisprudence is not perfect.
Hopefully, the majority of trials are on the up and up.
A friend, who is a lawyer, once told me that the person who wins in a trial is the person who has the best lawyer. Guilt or innocence is the result of the competence of the lawyer.


Professional contempt within the system is rampant.
Men and women join the officer ranks with good intentions; "Protect the Innocent".
But after years of having to take enforcement action against what is very
often minorities they lose their objectivity.
The same for prosecutors and judges.
Most people could not function in those capacities long term without being affected.
They are deeply racist, not really much their fault, and thus are now
willing to take executive actions based on influential racism.
Every statistic supports this and white societies response is stiffer sentencing.
Thus the incarcerated black male exits the jail as a professional criminal
only to enter a endless cycle of crime as he has been taught to do.
And whitey remains smug.


We have become a police state.

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Re: Jury duty

Postby arturo » Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:58 pm

no it's your legal duty as a citizen of your country

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Re: Jury duty

Postby kinghelfer » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:16 pm

arturo wrote:no it's your legal duty as a citizen of your country


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Re: Jury duty

Postby KBEES » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:20 pm

There was a great episode of Minder where the loveable Arthur was called for jury service.

I have never been called, though I have a friend who has been called four times, on the fourth occasion she called the jury hotline and complained it was her fourth time and was let off.

I must admit I would not have minded being called as long is was my local Crown Court and not the Old Bailey. Not that I am going to now, but could you actually volunteer? Sort of put your name forward style.
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Re: Jury duty

Postby Jean-Louise » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:22 pm

I think people should be able to pay a fine to opt out of jury duty. Say $50. I would gladly pay the fine. There is no more thankless job than to serve on a jury. Everyone in the courtroom is well paid, except for the jurists.

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Re: Jury duty

Postby Mati » Mon Feb 05, 2018 5:18 pm

I've been selected three times and the first two times I didn't get a single case as I was in my 20's and a white male, the least popular demographic here in the UK it would seem.

My third time I got on a case at the Old Bailey that meant staying in a hotel and not having regular contact with my family or my partner at the time. It was a fraud case that had ended in an abandoned trial early that year. I was on that jury for nearly 14 weeks and it indirectly cost me my job.

If you can get out of it, do.


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